I don’t like to give spoilers because I think they ruin the experience, but episode 13 is basically one huge spoiler, so it’s kind of difficult to talk about it without revealing anything. As such, I have decided to skip the episode summary this time.
Thoughts
I am not going to say that the most important event in this episode was entirely surprising. Characters in a story often have their roles to fulfil, and it was quite clear that this particular character had no other role to play in the grand scheme of things. That said, we had only just returned from Zero’s expedition in China, so the timing of this episode feels rather sudden. It is almost as if the writers are rushing to make things happen in time for the mid-season climax…
Sayako as a character in Code Geass interests me, because it makes me wonder whether her role as a super ninja maid was planned right from the start of the first season, or if it was a decision made along the way due to plot necessity. What’s next? Maybe Tamaki will reveal himself to be a competent Britannian spy who managed to expertly fool everyone into believing that he’s a hot-blooded idiot.
Interestingly, Lelouch rates everyone in the Black Knights by their intelligence, combat ability, charisma and loyalty, just like an RPG game. But those stats are clearly wrong. There’s no way Kallen has such low intelligence and charisma. >_< And somehow Tamaki ranks the lowest on almost everything, even loyalty.
The Jeremiah plot-twist is a bit of a WTF moment. Did anyone see it coming at all?
Opening
The new opening song is by FLOW and the ending song is by Ali Project. I have no particular feelings for either, except that perhaps the OP sequence has a lot of cheerful people for a song titled “WORLD END”.
Who’s that female figure?
You can tell that he’s going to be an important character from the OP
Recycling old artwork
How do those wings work? >_<
I’m not liking this Kallen/Suzaku parallelism…
Space combat?
*wub*
Pot makes you high
Paedophilia is still a crime, right?
Who are these people again?
I find this shot really hilarious for some reason
So Villetta is like the tsukkomi-yaku?
Sunrise should make another My-HiME
Who is this person and what has she done to C.C.?
It’s election year
Screencaps
It amazes me how people on TV can disguise themselves just by wearing shades
Cornelia is cool now
It’s an optical illusion
Awkward…
“No Rollo, I’m not cheating on you!”
I wonder if the King needs an ID too
I say Tamaki will turn traitor, mark my words
Emergency services in Area 11 are a joke
Lelouch has the funkiest expressions in the show
Love rivals
“Rollo, incest is against the law.”
It’s like a flamboyant Terminator
There’s not enough Kallen in this episode
I’m such a heartless bastard.
Tubolard: She appears in the ending…as an angel. O:
Rollo could have made it look like Shirley killed herself by using her gun, he was eyeing it an awful lot dontchu think?
I’ve been worried over Kallen joining Britannia since she got captured. I often wondered what Knightmare she was attacking in the first opening when she cried, as it didn’t really look like the Mordred like I had thought initially. It would be as simple as the Emperor using his Geass to turn her into a Britannian loyalist, but hopefully Jeremiah won’t betray Lelou so when the time comes he can just cancel that up.
The whole point of the “Stats” was to make fun of Tamaki. It would be awesome if he ends screwing them over or saving them at some point.
Also, did you notice Nina’s Ganymede Nuclear thing seems to be working in the opening? :O
PS: CecilleXLloyd FTW!
Am I the only one that noticed that Lelouch volountarily activated his Geass at the end with Shirley…. He didnt take off his contacts, so now he can Geass through his contacts at will….
As for who the woman in the picture is, I think its Marianne facing The Emperor and V.V., which means that she might have been in on their plan from the start, but she did not expect Nunnally to be there when it happened, that is when things went wrong. As the Emperor gets developed I believe we will see a good side to him outside his whole inequality speeches and slaying the gods plot.
As for Lelou’s other eye, it seems to me like he’s crying/was crying/about to cry rather than developing a two-eye Geass.
Flame: He did put his finger over his eye, it didn’t automatically activate.
Damn, i got pwned, but then how come we didnt see a purple contact on his fingertips….
>Who are these people again?
These are actually the Black Knights bridge bunnies. Quite cute to have them in the OP as well :p
Sunrise sets up three factions in the OP. There is the Emperor, there is Schneizel and Lelouch. I wonder who will fight for what.
Some things VV said made no sense since they go against the philosophy of the Emperor. I hope they explain this coherently.
“Because Rollo is gay.”
Truer words were never spoken. No one gets between Rollo and his Yaoi-incest goodness. Not Shirley, not Nunnally, no one! I hope they kill Rollo off soon. Found the Shirley scene pretty touching actually. Not as touching as the scene with the two Ptolemaios pilots dying in space at the end of Gundam 00, but fairly touching nonetheless. The Jeremiah thing took me completely by surprise. Lelouch now has a cyborg assassin, a maid ninja and a timestopping schoolboy at his fingertips. Throw in Kallen (Crazy piloting skillz) and C.C. (immortality) and they can be a crime fighting superteam worthy of the Power Rangers.
“It amazes me how people on TV can disguise themselves just by wearing shades”
I thought that scene was utterly ridiculous. He says “Shirley!” She sees him, panics and walks off. Then he takes his shades off and she relaxes. She manages to not recognise his clothes (he wears that outfit quite often), his voice OR his face through the sunglasses? I know she just died and all that, but she must have been zapped with a retard ray or something -_-
In regards to the Suzaku/Kallen (or Lancelot/Gurren) parallelism, I think it’s more mirroring the opposites/rivals. Just as with Schneizel and Lelouch in…well I think every opening thus far, Suzaku and Lelouch in R1 OP2 and to a lesser (or possibly less directly obvious) extent, the scene in R2 OP1 with the Brittanian ‘forces’ opposite the Black Knights. I could dig through Gundam Seed/Destiny/00 OPs and undoubtedly pick up more of this, but I’m a teh lazies. I’m guessing that Kallen will escape with the New-NEW Guren Aerial-type thanks to Nunnally going “Hear, have this” ala Lacus+Kira with Freedom in Seed.
And the statpage was utter bullshit. Someone else must have compiled this crap, Kento Sugiyama and Yoshitaka Minami (cannon fodder for ending of R2 in my eyes) both have more intelligence and Charisma than Kallen? Bullshiat. If they’d shown Kallen with proper charisma and intelligence she’d have the highest score on there, not bloody useless Todo. Seriously how does Todo have such a high charisma score? I’d follow Kallen over him any day.
Longpost a go-go.
Deny my crazy opinion if you will but I think Schniezel will join Zero’s side after learning who he is. The reason being that he occasionally asked himself what his father would’ve done in his situation (i.e. the chess game with Lulu and when he withdrew from the tomb place in episode 11). So he might be doubting himself and the actions of the emperor. Of course he is also the primary Brittanian general so far (unlesss Bismarck takes his place).
As for my second crazy theory. I think you guys are overthinking it a bit too much (this is sunrise after all) about Shirley killing herself. After all she did say she didn’t want Lulu to be alone anymore. AND he activated his geass right after she mentioned Nunnally. So i think he killed her out of jealousy.
P.S. Woot for Lelouch losing the little humanity and sanity he had left great job Rolo! :D
thats a load of pile about kallen not being very intelligent in the picture with the stats in coz i remember in episode 3 of the first season rivalz mentions that her grades were top-notch and all
also i dont understand why some of yous think that tamaki will become a traitor?
Jeremiah joining the Black Knights is so crazy, so is he uber powerful or not…?
maybe he’s not since his enemies don’t use Geass… until the very last moment when they fight those super power evil monkey ninjas with Geasses! :O
maybe he’s just a good pilot…? A new ace pilot replacing Kallen until she is rescued perhaps?
Sad how Takami is underrated :( I think he’s cool, and I don’t think he’ll betray Zero, I think he’ll die for Zero in the last situation and make him the coolest character in Code Geass at the end of the series, that’d be pure awesome.
I was sad when Shirley died, even though I don’t really care about her, since she FINALLY decided she will love Lulu no matter what and BAM, Rolo kills her. How ironic~~~
I hope Rolo dies, his presence makes me want to puke :'(
sorry for double post, how what program do you use to take out those screenshots from anime? I used to have a program before but after getting a new computer I forgot about it and now I don’t have it :(
“Deny my crazy opinion if you will but I think Schniezel will join Zero’s side after learning who he is. The reason being that he occasionally asked himself what his father would’ve done in his situation (i.e. the chess game with Lulu and when he withdrew from the tomb place in episode 11). So he might be doubting himself and the actions of the emperor. Of course he is also the primary Brittanian general so far (unlesss Bismarck takes his place).”
Denied. The only reason Schneizel would even think of joining Lelouch is to take the throne via that path, and that would be utterly stupid. Can’t remember where I saw/read it, but the Charles knows that Schneizel is going to try to take his place as Emperor (and indeed the Emperor may view him as a legitimate threat), but nevertheless he, Charles, has let Schneizel act on his own thus far. If Schneizel joined Lelouch he’d lose a massive amount of respect, followers, equipment, resources, land etc. It’d be an entirely ridiculous strategic move. The reason he asks what the Emperor would have done is that he’s comparing himself to him. You say he’s ‘doubting’ the himself. This is true though from your statements I’m going to assume that you mean he’s doubting the morality/ethics of the actions. I would disagree, I feel Schneizel is asking himself whether he made the best tactical move possible, and whether the Charels would have made a better/different one.
As for your second theory, I thought it was fairly obvious it was Rollo who shot Shirley.
Amnestic:
Denial Accepted.
Well… my first theory has been shot down completely and totally so time to introduce crazy theory number 3.
Jeremiah is not gonna betray Lelouch because although the review for episode 14 I read somewhere on this site (posted by a scorpian or something) says (or something close to this, this is only my memory ><) “Using the intelligence from Rolo and Jeremiah Lelouch tracks down the order and corners V.V. then suddenly the demonic mech Siegfried appears” if you look at the ending of episode 13 where it shows the next episode Jeremiah is piloting a normal nightmare. While there are many flaws to this statement (I’m thinking of a few right now) I don’t think he’s gonan betray.
Theory 4:
Tamaki won’t betray. Notice in episode 2? when he was in prison he still believed in Zero even though Tohdoh, Asahina and Chiba seemed to lose faith in him.
Theory 5:
Can’t think of any others, sorry.
Lol! The Terminator was exactly what I was thinking all the way through Orange-kun’s bleeding scene.
Omgwtf.
I got a 5th theory!!! and since it’s too late to update my last post, time to suffer from my genius 5th theory (not really).
Theory #5:
In the sequence of knightmares in the opening its Shinkiro, Shenhu, Lancelot Albion, Akatsuki JikisanshiyÅ, Zangetsu, Mordred, Vincent Prototype. Looking at that, aside from the Lancelot Albion (which it’s pilot is not revealed yet) and the Mordred, those are all Black Knight’s Frames so I think Anya (pilot of the Mordred) is gonna join the Black knights, and that Jeremiah is gonna be the pilot of the Albion if not the Siegfried.
Um.. Wasn’t that a slash wound not a bullet wound???
that funky expression picture of Lelouch is totally asking to be made into a macro that has something to do with drugs. possibly marijuana. thanks for the screencaps!
Did anyone like the new OP and/or ED music? Just wondering…
I thought it was kind of nostagic to hear the same artists as used in the beginning of Code Geass, season one…
“And the whole V.V. thing freaks me out, he’s like Orange-kun. Won’t stay down for long. Cyborg? God? Geass-user? There is much left to the imagination. Still, Cornelia ftw.”
not really, its pretty obvious that he’s like C.C.
“And I don’t like those sad episodes when someone dies because i’ve already imagined beuatiful life for those persones in the future so this one makes me quite angry… but whatever it’s just another Anime :D
PS.: Is it possible for CG to have happy ending? :D”
If the spoilers i’ve read are true its gonna have a very sad ending and all the Kallen&C.C. fanboys gonna cry :[
Grades dont mean crap in her line of work. Grades in general in the real work tend to mean very little as well in my experience.
Hmm.. interesting how the knight of rounds are with the OOBK knightmares in the intro. It seems that theres a chance that there will be a split. Who knows?! With two dissenting knight of rounds… we could possibly
This is somewhat affirmed with the Guren and Lancelot flying with each other with the same tech… Moreover towards the end of the intro you see Gino’s expression change from smiling to a serious and bitter look that he hasnt shown before. Anya too, changes from stoned to actually smiling (really brief).
Oh dear. I feel for britannia. Then again the upgraded guren and lancelot might be their savior
Schniezel seems to be a character with increasing importance..
Oh yeah that sakuradite enriched nuke…. what does that foreshadow? I hope it doesnt mean japan getting nuked by a super-efficient nuke D:
Now that Jeremiah is with Lelouch he could cancel the Geass command used on Suzaku and then Lelouch could make Suzaku join him and he’ll be the one piloting that new Lancelot.
Amnestic: I think the charisma score was overall charisma. Everyone has a great deal of influence on at least a few people, but few people have a great influence on many. As for you following Kallen over Todo, I have one question for you. Are you a guy? If so it’s quite simple why you would.
Toudou is a legendary warhero and most japanese ppl would follow him. Kallen is some cute terroristic half britannian…
There goes the charisma :p
I don’t see your point. Kallen clearly wins!
“Tamaki won’t betray. Notice in episode 2? when he was in prison he still believed in Zero even though Tohdoh, Asahina and Chiba seemed to lose faith in him.”
Remember we’re working with the theory of him being an expert Brittanian spy, ready to die to keep the image up. If he’d been ordered to show unwavering faith in Zero, he’d keep showing unwavering faith in Zero.
“Amnestic: I think the charisma score was overall charisma. Everyone has a great deal of influence on at least a few people, but few people have a great influence on many. As for you following Kallen over Todo, I have one question for you. Are you a guy? If so it’s quite simple why you would.”
Hah. Caught out. Yes, there is her feminine charm I’ll admit, but I’ve found that she’s also a more accesible character and someone who you can understand her movement. The way they’ve portrayed Todo is that you barely ever see what he feels about something. Even Zero expresses his feelings on subjects to an extent, but for the most part Todo can be summed up as “I won this battle with no knightmares ages ago. I want Japan restored.” Beyond that his character is fairly uninspiring to me. Kallen is also searching for the restoration of Japan, but also fighting for her mother and the memory of her brother. People ‘get’ family. They understand it, so it’d be easier to be inspired/impressed (something a charismatic character would do for you) by Kallen than Todo. A family strife trumps ‘legendary strategist’ (who has shown…no strategy) simply because I can relate to it better. Maybe if I’d been at Todo’s battle that’d be different, but obviously I don’t leave in CG universe. That’s a pretty shallow character analysis of the both of them, but this is turning into a wall and I don’t want to bore you too much.
>.> In my opinion, anyway.
“Kallen is some cute terroristic half britannian…”
One (wo)man’s terrorist is another (wo)man’s freedom fighter. ;D
“Remember we’re working with the theory of him being an expert Brittanian spy, ready to die to keep the image up. If he’d been ordered to show unwavering faith in Zero, he’d keep showing unwavering faith in Zero.”
Indeed he could be a spy, however not under orders to spy on Zero. Notice he was in the original Shinjuku incident when Zero first appeared. So obviously since Zero wasn’t a known terrorist unless some Brit bastard was a psychic and recruited him beforehand I doubt he’s working against them. However that may not deny the fact that his character is deeper than a rash Japanese dude that may or may not be willing to die for Zero.
“Hah. Caught out. Yes, there is her feminine charm I’ll admit, but I’ve found that she’s also a more accesible character and someone who you can understand her movement. The way they’ve portrayed Todo is that you barely ever see what he feels about something. Even Zero expresses his feelings on subjects to an extent, but for the most part Todo can be summed up as “I won this battle with no knightmares ages ago. I want Japan restored.†Beyond that his character is fairly uninspiring to me. Kallen is also searching for the restoration of Japan, but also fighting for her mother and the memory of her brother. People ‘get’ family. They understand it, so it’d be easier to be inspired/impressed (something a charismatic character would do for you) by Kallen than Todo. A family strife trumps ‘legendary strategist’ (who has shown…no strategy) simply because I can relate to it better. Maybe if I’d been at Todo’s battle that’d be different,”
Wow that was a long copy and paste…anyways; Tohdoh is a well known fighter and strategist in Code Geass, Asahina and Chiba follow him for it and Urabe and Senba followed him for it. Even though his character is not fully explored as well as Kallen and Zero note: Kallen is a main character, present for episode 1 and one of the people who knows Zero’s identity. Tohdoh is a less explored sub character who, quite contrary, is a brilliant tactician and fighter is the Code Geass world. While we may think Kallen is an awesome character and way more charismatic than Tohdoh in truth thats from the view of a bunch of Otaku’s who watch this series and know who’s doing what and wtf is going on. Where as people in the series have narrower visions.
I would greatly appreciate it if someone can kinda simplify my thoughts I feel as if I repeated myself over 3 times in that last explanation.
P.S. I think we all agree Kallen is more awesome than Tohdoh.
P.S.S. “‘And the whole V.V. thing freaks me out, he’s like Orange-kun. Won’t stay down for long. Cyborg? God? Geass-user? There is much left to the imagination. Still, Cornelia ftw.’
not really, its pretty obvious that he’s like C.C. ”
V.V. seems to be more powerful than C.C. notice it took like a few weeks for C.C. to show up after getting shot through the head in episode 1, however V.V. stood up moments after being “killed” by Cornelia. So either Sunrise is being stupid or V.V. is more powerful than C.C.
“V.V. seems to be more powerful than C.C. notice it took like a few weeks for C.C. to show up after getting shot through the head in episode 1, however V.V. stood up moments after being “killed†by Cornelia. So either Sunrise is being stupid or V.V. is more powerful than C.C.”
Actually, C.C. recovered quite fast. The reason for saying this is that she grabbed Lelouch’s arm and bestowed him with Geass. If she was dead, she wouldn’t have even moved. That headshot would have killed her instantly. It was more like she pretended to die there. So saying that she grabbed his arm before she “died” is not really convincing.
One more proof is in the episode 1 of R2. Some guy from the Secret Intelligence Agency shot through her heart, that means “killed” her. She recovered fast enough to kiss Lelouch and stand up, shocking those people.
“Actually, C.C. recovered quite fast. The reason for saying this is that she grabbed Lelouch’s arm and bestowed him with Geass. If she was dead, she wouldn’t have even moved. That headshot would have killed her instantly. It was more like she pretended to die there. So saying that she grabbed his arm before she “died†is not really convincing.”
True, true. However, Lelouch left her body because he thought she was dead (at the time I was shocked at how minimally he cared). Which would mean she wasn’t fully recovered. As for the heart wound…it wasn’t nearly as bad as a shot to the head. Normal people have survived getting shot through the heart before (not often but it’s true although they only survived when the bullet actually passes through the heart but that also happened with C.C., anyways) and it really is just an incredibly bloody mess where as getting shot in the brain causes other damage as well, meaning it would take longer to repair. A knife to the head is more brutal than a bullet and it would cause even more extensive damage, so longer to repair. However mix all this data together and it seems like events only happened because they were needed for the storyline to advance, I might just be overthinking it.
About Shirlei, I dont think its Rolo who killed her? It’s maybe Susaku. When you look carefully, you can that she was shoot, but Rolo use knife (you can see it in other episode).
I think Rolo saw Susaku and tried use Geass, but… there i have few options… (dont foget that Rolo pro-killer, i dont think he would lieve her alive)
1 Susaku understod that Rolo betrayed them and tryed shoot him(becous he Geass-user), but Shirlei saved him. Susaku understood what he did and run.
2 Maybe Susaku killed Shirlei becouse her mamory returned(she wanted to join BK) and Rolo tryed to save her(geass), but too late… he cant stop bulets
Dont forget that Imperor can alter memory, so we dont know what will happen to Kallen. Maybe she will join Britania
Suzaku couldn’t even kill Lulu at the end of S1 there’s no way he killed Shirley on purpose. That she got shot accidentally is unlikely as well since Suzaku doesnt know that Rolo is on Lulu’s side and even if he did how could he possibly win against Rolos Geass?
Maybe they just didnt show it because they want to use it in a flashback later :D
“Dont forget that Imperor can alter memory, so we dont know what will happen to Kallen. Maybe she will join Britania”
yeah Nunnaly gonna sweettalk her and in the last ep she will die sacrificing herself for zero or something like that ^^
About Kallen’s and Todo’s charisma, I’ll try to explain it a bit better. Charisma as simply as I can put it is being able to influence people in a way that doesn’t require force. Note that throughout the entire series that barely anyone is ever influenced by what Kallen thinks or says. The only person who ever really listens to her is Lulu, and I get the feeling that has more to do with him liking her than her having any real tactical/strategic advice to give. Every other member of the original group of Black Knights would always shoot her ideas down in one way or another. Todo on the other hand is a legendary war veteran, experienced leader and skilled tactician. People value what he has to say, and not just his small group of followers. There are of course others in the Black Knights that listen to him and don’t go forgetting that he was the primary military leader in the previous group he was in (everyone listened to him there). Simply put Todo influences a greater number of people more strongly than Kallen ever does, therefore his charisma is actually higher than hers.
Like i said Rolo can stop person but not a bulet. But Susaku also changed, he ready to kill Lulu at the same momet when he finds that hia mamory back. Susaku could heard their talk and the shoot at Rolo to kill, becous he knows about his geass
I dont think its Rolo. And dont foget that Rolo usualy use knife, not a gun. Say what you want, but i just feel that killer is not Rolo, but Susaku. Let see it on another way… Its to simple for the plot, that producers show us who is the killer… neee… too simple… killer isnt Rolo
“yeah Nunnaly gonna sweettalk her and in the last ep she will die sacrificing herself for zero or something like that ^^”
Nunnaly will ask Kallen about Zero, I think that Nunnaly suspect that her onii-sama is a Zero, after that incident when Zero couldnt take her from airplane.
Whatever it was, I think the possibilty of Rolo simply using his geass and then killing Shirley can be ruled out, since we saw the falling mask animation, which in turn means that she was at least conscious when someone, be it Rolo or Suzaku, turned out to be, let’s say, “a part of conspiracy”. Of course, it could be just Rolo drawing his knife and giving an emo speech before proceeding with the elimination.
Another thing – Suzaku isn’t the kind to just go shooting people, especially when his friend’s life may be put in danger because of it, and I certainly fail to imagine him attepmting a close-call shot where Shirley may be a victim. So unless some drama was involved, like Shirley trying to save Rolo (well, admittedly she wasn’t very bright), I doubt the murderer was Suzaku. And I too had the impression that it was rather a knife wound than a bullet one.
Yeah I think it was rolo because the mask of his alliance is what fell?
Suzaku isn’t the type to be careless with weaponry.
“Another thing – Suzaku isn’t the kind to just go shooting people, especially when his friend’s life may be put in danger because of it, and I certainly fail to imagine him attepmting a close-call shot where Shirley may be a victim. So unless some drama was involved, like Shirley trying to save Rolo (well, admittedly she wasn’t very bright), I doubt the murderer was Suzaku. And I too had the impression that it was rather a knife wound than a bullet one.”
Suzaku is way too skilled in the use of firearms to have accidentally shot Shirley, for Pete’s sake he shot Lulu’s gun out of his hand, he shot the VARIS into the barrel of a cannon and he’s been shown repeatedly throughout the series to be incredibly skilled with weaponry in all ways. Due to that I think we can rule out him killing Shirley when she tried to protect Rolo. Also when you look at the bloody animation it looks like it was pooling at one point in the center of the wound with deeper lines of blood extending from its side’s (while that may look like a slash wound, the pooling of the blood in the center suggests a bullet) since we are talking about anime however it could be either. Rolo prefers a knife, while Suzaku has never even been seen using a knife. Another thing, Suzaku was in command of the police force and firemen meaning it’s unlikely he was inside the building at the time (however he could have gone in after Shirley after learning she ran off), but this is Suzaku we are talking about, he didn’t kill Lulu after he caught him, he was smiling when they were joking around. Subconsiously (or however you spell it) I think he forgave him, or wants to believe he isn’t Zero, which would ALSO make him NOT kill Shirley. ALSO (and this is my last one) If suzaku learned that Rolo and Shirley were on zero’s side that would seriosuly mess up the storyline, chances are he won’t learn that he is Zero until the last episode then he’s gonna forgive Lelouch etc. etc. classic ending.
“Indeed he could be a spy, however not under orders to spy on Zero. Notice he was in the original Shinjuku incident when Zero first appeared. So obviously since Zero wasn’t a known terrorist unless some Brit bastard was a psychic and recruited him beforehand I doubt he’s working against them. However that may not deny the fact that his character is deeper than a rash Japanese dude that may or may not be willing to die for Zero.”
Mmm. I’d noticed that after I hit post, but didn’t feel like editting. It’s possible he was placed as a sleeper agent in the terrorist cell, but then was unavoidably promoted when the meager resistance force became the Order of the Black Knights. I’d agree with your view that there is probably more to him. I’d like to think so at least.
“I would greatly appreciate it if someone can kinda simplify my thoughts I feel as if I repeated myself over 3 times in that last explanation.”
I’ll concede the point. My fanboyism can’t stand up to logic :(
“About Shirlei, I dont think its Rolo who killed her? It’s maybe Susaku. When you look carefully, you can that she was shoot, but Rolo use knife (you can see it in other episode).”
Rollo doesn’t always use a knife. In the flashback of his previous hits it shows him in a hall assassinating a speaker by shooting him from the side of the stage. There’s other instances of firearms in the flashback, but that’s the one I remember. In regards to Shirley’s wound, she’s still holding her gun, but as we’ve seen Rolo can disarm a person during his geass (Lelouch) and he could have planted it on her after he left. One of the blood pulses coming from her stomach is perfectly round, it’s not thin and horizontal. Might be a lazy animator, or indication of a gunshot wound as opposed to a knife. In my eyes Suzaku’s character and history with Shirley wouldn’t let him kill her. Rollo’s reaction to Nunnally and the mention of her would lead me to him offing Shirley.
“Whatever it was, I think the possibilty of Rolo simply using his geass and then killing Shirley can be ruled out, since we saw the falling mask animation, which in turn means that she was at least conscious when someone, be it Rolo or Suzaku, turned out to be, let’s say, “a part of conspiracyâ€.”
She takes ages to die, long enough to converse with Lelouch. Therefore the falling mask animation could still lead us to Rolo killing Shirley, not to mention if he used her gun the mask would be falling when he planted her gun back on her. Didn’t Suzaku’s ‘mask’ fall off earlier when she jumped off the side of the building?
“Like i said Rolo can stop person but not a bulet. But Susaku also changed, he ready to kill Lulu at the same momet when he finds that hia mamory back. Susaku could heard their talk and the shoot at Rolo to kill, becous he knows about his geass”
Does Suzaku know about Rolo’s geass? I’m not entirely sure he does. Also, I’m not entirely sure there was anything incriminating in the on screen conversation between Rolo and Shirley. And after what Shirley said about forgiving Lelouch, Suzaku may soften in his hatred of him. It’s unlikely because Sunrise need him to emo it up for a plotpoint, but it’s possible.
“Does Suzaku know about Rolo’s geass? I’m not entirely sure he does. Also, I’m not entirely sure there was anything incriminating in the on screen conversation between Rolo and Shirley. And after what Shirley said about forgiving Lelouch, Suzaku may soften in his hatred of him. It’s unlikely because Sunrise need him to emo it up for a plotpoint, but it’s possible.”
It is possible he knows of Rolo’s geass (since he knows of geass’s existence) though it is never mentioned. As for the conversation between Rolo and Shirley (this is like my third comment refering [or however it’s spelled] to Rolo killing Shirley) it’s QUITE obvious Rolo killed her, after all she revealed she got her memories back (murder motive), she mentioned reuniting Nunnally with Lelouch (murder motive), and she had a gun (murder weapon). Combine those with the fact that he activated his geass right when she mentioned Nunnally, I doubt it was Suzaku that killed her, and please no more comments about Suzaku killing her unless your prepared to completely blow my mind away with incredible logic and stuff because unless I’m utterly denied I will not respond to any more “suzaku killed shirley” comments.
Nuff said.
Actually I can believe Suzaku may have killed Shirley by accident if Rolo’s geass was only made large enough, I’m assuming he can control the size, to only cover the distance between himself and Shirley(in a circle radius of course) and they weren’t that far apart. Perhaps Suzaku had went after Shirley when he had learned she had escaped, and saw Rolo (Suzaku is outside of the radius of the geass as Rolo may not have predicted someone else coming in…can his geass affect someone not initially in the affected area O.o? Like if they walk into it after its out….anyway..) who had a knife out going for Shirley (who is frozen) and he tries to save Shirley by shooting Rolo or something and ends up shooting Shirley instead. Just a guess if it was a bullet that killed her instead of a knife. Of course, it could also be Tamaki like DarkMirage suggested >_>.
Way too much specing. Actually its kind of depressing. So lets get some facts out there.
Suzu is a god with weapons. Okay? A fucking goddamn god. He is not going to accidentally kill anyone, ever, so lets never speak of it again.
Rolo is an unstable psycho with a crush on Lulu.
Lulu liked Shirley. He is going to find out who killed her, and he is going to kill his little brother for it. In an ironic and/or sadistic way.
“…can his geass affect someone not initially in the affected area O.o? Like if they walk into it after its out….anyway..)”
Nope…Sayoko runs into Jeremiah who is in the Geass field in the same episode and does not stop.
It cant be because Jeremiah cancelled it because what it should cancel is the Geass effect on the person (the sense of time of the person within the field), rather than the whole Geass field.
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Suzaku killed Shirley? I am sorry but that seems like the most absurd, weird and unnecessary plot device I have ever seen. Rolo took the gun, shot her, laughed and pointed at her, then put it back in her hand. Shirley falls on her back, if she were to stand up she’d be exactly where she was when she faced Rolo. So, unless by some miracle some commotion occurred that involved Shirley turning around to save Rolo and some running around let her to the same place, it seems unlikely more happened. Also, I think Rolo knows very well what the range of his Geass is, so he wouldn’t bother to use it if someone was far away enough. Rolo’s mask falling symbolizes the fact that although he is helping Lelouch out, he has no intention of reuniting him with Nunnally.
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PS. Maybe it was Sayoko, zomgwtfbbq. O: Shuriken death!
Out of the boredom of my heart I shall now deliver my 6th theory. Nothing left worth argueing about with the whole Rolo Shirley Suzaku thing. So now I present a theory on wtf is gonna happen next.
Theory #6:
Kallen/the Guren isn’t gonna be a Britannian unit. Chances are in the next few episodes Lelouch (not wanting to lose anyone else) is gonna get back Kallen. As for the wicked wing designs notice how different Suzaku and Kallen’s are. For one, Kallen’s are much larger and have 4 segments portruding mostly outward whereas Suzaku’s has only 3 and is pointing mostly downward. My theory is there is gonna be a technological breakthrough (again) in the show somewhere along the lines and those are gonna be (hopefully) their final forms. Also, in the intro there is a new nightmare (Lancelot Albion) that has a Black Knights wing design so unless Orange gets the Siegfried I think that the Albion will either be his or a design for one of the Knights of Rounds (which wouldn’t fit the picture seeing as [if Anya becomes a Black Knight] all the others would be Black Knights frames).
Ahem…well for all you Rolo fangirls and (uhh) boys. I shall now present a theory for his future (theory #7 woot).
Theory #7:
Rolo is still gonna use the Vincent Prototype (duh) but Lelouch isn’t gonna find out he killed Shirley until much later (if ever). As for when he does Lelouch (already emotionally devoid) would either kill him or not care, or if he has some emotions left he might be his normal self and use Rolo as much as he can until finally he kills him.
Well I don’t feel like stopping my writing so I’ll jot down one more theory for the C.C. fanboys (and quite possibly girls).
Theory #8:
C.C. ain’t gonna end up with Lulu. Chances are she’s gonna see the whole thing to it’s conclusion, save his ass a few times. Then once everything is over and if Lulu ain’t dead she’s gonna kiss him, smile and leave (to never be seen again, holy crap, do I know my sappy endings or what). If he is dead, chances are she’s gonna look at his grave (small or large depending on the ending) have a tear roll down her face and leave (I’m on a roll).
The reason I say she ain’t gonna end up with Lulu is because she’s immortal, he might say he loves her etc. etc. but she ain’t gonna stick around.
Oh well what do you know I have one more theory….
Theory #9:
This one is for the Kallen fanboys (and hopefully, girls) out there.
This chicks got the most chance with Lulu now that Shirley is out of the picture and I doubt Sunrise is gonna make Lulu end up with Rolo.
However since I read somewhere that CG is gonna end in tragedy, I’m guessing she’s gonna sacrifice herself in like the second last episode or something. If she doesn’t die though I doubt CG is gonna have a happy romantic ending. Her future is hard to predict if she lives, I just don’t see how Sunrise could incorporate the relationship between Kallen and Lulu. HOWEVER THERE IS HOPE YET. becuase in episode 9 he asked her to come back to Ashford academy with him. So it might end that way. However despite all of this I think CG is gonna end in a bloody, sad tragedy. Oh and I bet Nunnally or Schniezel will be the next emperor.
I think Kallen will live, but instead of her thet Lulu who will die. He is sinful, so to pay for his sins he will die in the end
His greatest sin is Yuphemia
Where did you guys learn about the Albion (I thought it was Gino’s Knightmare at first) and those CG ending rumors?
If Kallen dies I’ll die a little inside. D:
Lol Kaus, my theories are my theories, not actually spoilers (so they might not happen). As for the Albion I learned about it on….holy crap where did I learn about it from…I think someone mentioned it on youtube or something. Maybe wikipedia…who knows.
HOWEVER I did read somewhere that CG is gonna be end in tragedy (lots of main characters dying off like crazy). Besides that will make a good ending anyway.
Wtf, i actually made a short comment….amazing.
“Like i said Rolo can stop person but not a bulet. But Susaku also changed, he ready to kill Lulu at the same momet when he finds that hia mamory back. Susaku could heard their talk and the shoot at Rolo to kill, becous he knows about his geass”
Now why the hell would he come in and shoot them just because their talking about liking Lulu?
“I dont think its Rolo. And dont foget that Rolo usualy use knife, not a gun. Say what you want, but i just feel that killer is not Rolo, but Susaku. Let see it on another way… Its to simple for the plot, that producers show us who is the killer… neee… too simple… killer isnt Rolo”
Not true, he might favor a knife but he also used a gun before.
No matter how you turn it anyone else but Rolo killing her is just totally unrealistic.
“Whatever it was, I think the possibilty of Rolo simply using his geass and then killing Shirley can be ruled out, since we saw the falling mask animation, which in turn means that she was at least conscious when someone, be it Rolo or Suzaku, turned out to be, let’s say, “a part of conspiracyâ€. Of course, it could be just Rolo drawing his knife and giving an emo speech before proceeding with the elimination.”
the falling mask animation symbolizes Rolo showing his true side to Shirley when he shot her.
Im 99% sure they didnt show it just to trick the viewers into thinking someone else shot her and show it in a flashback later.
The other 1% beeing Sunrise’s ridiculous plot twists like making a ninja out of sayoko ;)