Possible Japanese Censorship Law
Things like this piss me off. Japanese National Police Agency’s New Law against “Manga, Anime, Game Expression”
Today, I got an email from a Japanese creator, letting us know about the new law currently being discussed to be applied by Japanese National Police Agency. This is a law to restrict expression of Manga, Anime, Game, that are:
# Image that show sexual expression of characters that appears to be under 18.
(Ex: The character does not have under hair, or character appears to be an under 18 school age child.)
# Image that show characters appears or seems to be under age, that are engaging in sexual act weather or not if genital part is censored.
My thoughts after the jump.
First of all, I hate lolicon art. I absolutely hate them. But I am firmly against this form of censorship.
Child porn is bad because it harms children, but what harm can drawings do? It is absolutely true to say that many pedophiles probably like to view lolicon material, but that’s not what turned them into pedophiles in the first place. They are pedophiles because they are mentally fucked-up, not because of some pornographic drawings.
Correlation does NOT equal causation.
Millions of people play video games. Some of them are serial killers.
Millions of people watch television. Some of them are serial killers.
Millions of people eat ice-cream. Some of them are serial killers.
Just because serial killers play violent video games, watch television and enjoy ice-cream doesn’t make any of those things the cause of their violent nature.
Similarly, just because pedophiles read loli manga doesn’t mean that loli manga turns normal well-adjusted people into child molesters. It may seem very logical to conclude that a person who enjoys loli material will naturally turn into a pedophile, but there is simply nothing to support that hypothesis.
As such, those who advocate censorship have no justication for censorship other than the fact that they hate lolicon art.
Well, I hate lolicon art too. But then again, I also hate a lot of other things that people like to do. I hate idiots who want to censor everything that is different from themselves, for example. There are people who hate homosexuality. There are people who hate Christianity. But as long as they do no harm to anyone, who are we to enforce our preference upon others?
The rights of the minority must be protected, unless harm is done to the rest of society. When the majority seeks to enforce its views on the minority without justification beyond a matter of preference, then those people are no better than Adolf Hitler.
In conclusion, let the stupid lolicons fap to their loli-pr0n and shut the fuck up.
That said, if anyone can produce any convincing evidence that lolicon art is responsible for causing people (who are not already pedophiles) to molest children, then go ahead and ban the thing. Good luck though, the fundamentalist nutcases in America are still having a tough time doing the exact same thing for violent video games.
Either way it doesn’t concern me. Lolicon is crap.
May 21st, 2006 at 7:57 pm
Japan may be starting to clean up their act. They are the only country in the world where you can get real live action child porn with the flick of a finger with hundreds and thousands of sites dedicated to it.
I do not agree with you on some points. Let’s use an example. 1000 people view loliporn. Out of these 1000, 995 hide their latent urges successfully. 5 of these have poor self-control and molest kids. Should we then ban the 1000 people from viewing loliporn? Think about it. What is more important? The loliporn enjoyment of 995 people, or the safety of five kids?
Even if the ratios are 10,000 to 1, I would say the safety of the kids should be a priority.
Sure you can argue that these stuff would just go underground. By reducing access and production, all that would be left is just amateurish work, and so cutting down the amount of source material with which MAY corrupt people.
Don’t underestimate people’s tendency to be affected by what they read/watch/play. You may be normal and unaffected, but there will surely be some irrational nutcase who thinks seducing small girls and shooting up people is pleasurable.
May 21st, 2006 at 8:55 pm
While I might not really object to loliporn being forbidden because any kind of child porn, fictional or otherwise, sickens me but I still can’t help feeling worried when any kind of censor law is passed. The more readily we accept censor laws the more of them will appear. What starts out as censoring of offending material might soon turn into censoring the flow of information because it might induce unwanted behaviour in people (protests etc).
Tj Han – I don’t think your arguments hold for the same reason that I don’t think video games make people violent. For those very rare cases where a person is so disfunctional and very easily swayed by outside influences I think the people around them have all the responsibility to recognize this and act accordingly. I don’t think people become pedophiles by looking at child/loli porn because people that aren’t pedophiles from the beginning would find it sickening and wouldn’t look in the first place. With your reasoning we should forbid any kind of stimulating media. I agree with you that it might be good for Japan to become more strict in this particular area though, because the less accepted it is the better.
I might appear to be contradicting myself by supporting the censorship on a personal level but being against it when looking at it with a broader perspective. I’m not trying to say anyone is right or wrong, I’m just giving my take on the matter.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:07 pm
Tj han, you are assuming that those 5 people commited crimes because they view loliporn. This is a baseless assumption based on pure prejudice. As I said, correlation does NOT equate to causation. I would think that if those 5 people are such pathetic human scums that they can be influenced by a bunch of pictures to commit a crime, then they would have commited crimes anyway even without loliporn.
Censorship does not solve anything. Pedophiles will still be pedophiles. Violent criminals will still be violent criminals.
See, I see a very huge distinction between child porn and loli porn. In child porn, children are being harmed by the act itself. In loli porn, no one is harm. Essentially to punish someone for viewing loli porn is the same as thought crime. I think of killing certain people all the time. I just don’t do it. That’s a huge difference.
Hating loliporn on a personal level is one thing, trying to censor it is another. If something can be made illegal simply because the majority hates it, then what Hitler did in Germany shouldn’t be of anyone’s concern.
Most people shun homosexuality. Is it therefore okay to persecute homosexuals and censor any form of entertainment with homosexual influences just in case they become a bad influence to someone?
On a side note, I do support age-based restrictions because I can see how a child, with an underdeveloped perspective of the world, might be influenced by such entertainment. But I just can’t accept the argument that any form of entertainment can turn normal people into murderers and rapists.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:08 pm
I am a (female) fan of yaoi shota but in no way have I jumped at young boys.
I am partially against this law. As far as live-action is concerned I can not approve of too young persons (e.g. >16 y.o.), be they boys or girls, participating in porn of any kind.
However, DarkMirage, in his post (as far as I understand) talks about anime, manga and games
>> “This is a law to restrict expression of Manga, Anime, Game, that are:
# Image that show sexual expression of characters that appears to be under 18.”
Ok, first this is drawings, not live-action, so I am against this point of the law in question.
Secondly, it even says “appears to be”, well there are a lot of mangas (not to mention doujinshi) out there that have their characters look younger than their actual age. I can think of at least 10 yaoi-mangas that fit such description.
I guess my opinion is biased by my preferences, but the fact is, that one can hardly blame anime/manga/games for the actions of a mentally ill person. And all those that harass kids/underaged in one way or another are nothing short of mentally disturbed.
I also hate lolicon and as a matter of fact hentai too, but I don’t mind other people liking it, or the people themselves. But I do mind all those nameless nutcases that have never in their life heard about manga/anime/shota/loli, but still harbour unhealthy desire towards adolescents. That is sick, but the fact is this law won’t cure them. It will only prevent those who are sane yet still fine some pleasure in such things from enjoying them.
What is more, from another perspective, there’s always the chance that observing such pics, soothes their desire for the real thing. The absolute opposite is also possible, but even so they balance each other, so the final effect is zero.
Please, bear in mind that ever since the third paragraph, I am only referring to anime/manga/games, in no way I am talking about live-action adolescent porn, which is disgusting beyond words.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:22 pm
Hmmm… maybe I should explain my point about correlation vs causation with an analogy.
Phenomenon A: The sun sets.
Phenomenon B: The sky turns dark.
A and B always happen together. This is correlation.
A causes B to happen. This is causation.
Now let’s say a man always reaches home from work when the sun sets.
Phenomenon A: The sun sets.
Phenomenon B: The man reaches home.
A and B always happen together. This is correlation.
But A does not cause B to happen. There is no cause and effect.
Similarly, violent criminals are found to enjoy violent games. There is nothing to show that the games actually caused the violent behaviours. There is only correlation. Therefore, it is illogical to conclude that by taking away the violent games, it will somehow solve the problem of violent crimes.
And if a cause-and-effect case cannot be established, censoring such material can only be considered a violation of free speech.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:35 pm
You base your argument on the claim that loliporn doesn’t influence a person to go paedo AT ALL. It can’t be proven as you said, since the converse has not been proven as well.
Matte makes a good point though.
Let me describe a situation. Let’s say this guy, Mr Saitou, has always been a hardworking adult who indulges in a bit of manga and anime as a hobby. With the recent advent of loliporn and to a lesser extent, moe, he starts to like small cute girls. He finds them attractive but not in a sexually way. But after a while, through expansion of his new interests, he gets into reading loli doujin, playing loli AVGs and finds that hey, lolis are a massive sexual turn on for him too. And as he tires of handdrawn stuff, he begans to relate the lolitas in his HCG to the little girls out on the street. At first it just starts with eyeing them. Then he discovers that hey, they are really cute and he likes cute young girls. He thinks of his loli eroge and doujin when he sees cute young girls. His imagination runs wild.
Mr Saitou is now a paedophile. Even if he doesn’t capture young girls and molest them. Just because people don’t show it doesn’t mean they aren’t.
Is the above situation totally impossible? I do not think so. In fact, it has probably happened a lot of times. While I’m not in favour of the ban like all bans, but I do not agree with your insistence that nothing can affect how a person grows.
I’m very sure my personality and life have been changed by what I read and watch.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:48 pm
The act of molestation itself is punishable.
However, if someone is a “pedophile” but does not commit the actual act, then it is nobody’s business what he likes to do with his life.
Crime vs. Thought crime.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:45 pm
…so you’re saying that all people have an unalienable right to objectify underage girls? Am I missing something?
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:09 am
Before getting rid of loliporn, they need to get rid of people that call others lolicons. Seriously, internalization is a far deadlier tool in turning someone into a lolicon than loli itself.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:25 am
No, I am saying people have the right to do whatever they want as long as it does not infringe on your rights.
Censoring things you find to be unpleasant is the same as trying to control what people think. Thoughts should NEVER be made criminal, no matter how tempting doing so may seem sometimes.
May 22nd, 2006 at 9:26 am
I know Canada have a law just like the one they are going to put up, but with “Any image that show sexual expression of characters that appears to be under 18″, what you end up with is 90% of the anime don’t made it to the Canada and those that do are cutted to a point it’s a different show.
I fear for the furture of anime
May 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 am
I just don’t get it with them. Let peodophiles do what they want. But why ruin things. I mean, we can have a matured person that looks loli, so does that mean they are underage? And what’s with under hair?! There’s this thing called shaved!
Then again… WHAT’S WITH CENSORSHIP? They practically mosiac a certain part when you already know what the heck it is.. So might as well they don’t censor it ya?
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:11 pm
What our esteemed colleague is putting through with his example of poor Mr. Saitou is that prolonged exposure to cute loli/shotaporn will turn a person into a pAedophile. Unfortunately this is a laughable argument. A few years ago in an unnamed country, a conservative MP chastitied women for dressing provacatively as enticing men to rape them. A few months later, a woman who was properly dressed by his standards got raped by a bus driver.
Now is it the fault of the woman to have provoked the rape? Or is it rather that the man would have raped her regardless of whether she was in a bikini outfit or a full head to toe gown? The point is that if a person is a pAedophile, he will be a pAedophile regardless of any external influences. They will take advantage of the situation when it arises. It is the matter of selfcontrol. Those that are destined to be reallife child molesters WILL have lack of that selfcontrol regardless of whether they are exposed to pAedophilic material.
You will amazingly find that with or without censorship, the number of people actually caught molesting children will be the same once you factor all those who were caught with possession of the material but are not molesters out of the equation.
And if you want to ban drawings of underaged boys/girls, let’s ban alcohol first. Alcohol kills more people and has more destructive effects on more children. And smoking too. Let’s not forget carbonated drinks… and junk food…
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:29 pm
I’m glad Japan might actually do something about it’s pedo-culture. Between 1994 and 2004, reported sexual assaults of children increased with 70 %. I’m all for not giving pedophiles more material to feed their fantasies with.
May 22nd, 2006 at 9:38 pm
Here goes old good hentai :(
Now, what the Hell of hentai it would be, if there weren’t nude cock-sucking middle schoolgirls with an innocent expression on their faces?
That is the real crap.
May 22nd, 2006 at 11:24 pm
Ah the many things that inspires the vices of men. Are people naturally pedos or has society made them that way? Or is it a vicious cycle that reinforces each other, heightening the maddness?
All these things we enjoy in society can be maligned and misused at the expense of innocents. The suggestion alcohol should be banned is commendable, but a significant majority benefits from it.
If lolicon goes, it would be because the otaku / pedophile / ephebophile. Their cause does not have enough traction within mainstream society to offset the percieved harm. Tobacco in America is a similiar target.
As many people have pointed out, the slippery slope of what “appears to be” under 18 will have interesting impacts. A curiousity considering the age of consent there is far under 18.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 am
jo Says:
I’m all for not giving pedophiles more material to feed their fantasies with.
Good, feed less fantasies, watch more real life molestations!
BTW, there are a lot of people who see lots of moeable naked children everyday… why don’t these people molest such plentiful victims? Or is it that they actually can control their urges?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:00 am
A.N.O.N. ymous Says,
>BTW, there are a lot of people who see lots of moeable naked children
>everyday… why don’t these people molest such plentiful victims?
>Or is it that they actually can control their urges?
Nope, it’s genetics. Adults must not be sexually attracted to those under birth-giving age. So they aren’t.
That’s why lolicon hentai is much less harmful than real porn with adults in it: unlike the second, the first one won’t rise any unhealthy intentions in the overwhealming majority of people.
Cock-sucking 12-year cartoon schoolgirls is fun, nothing more. A hot D-cup babe on the TV screen makes one want to repeat the same experience in reality, with all possible outcomes.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:46 am
There are some seriously deluded people here.
Good thing our future law makers don’t come from the pool of otaku!
Darkmirage said, “No, I am saying people have the right to do whatever they want as long as it does not infringe on your rights.
Censoring things you find to be unpleasant is the same as trying to control what people think. Thoughts should NEVER be made criminal, no matter how tempting doing so may seem sometimes. “.
I see so education should be scrapped. After all, the teachers are controlling our thoughts. If little Johnny thinks its ok to not do his homework and play computer games all day, the teacher would be the criminal if she made Johnny think otherwise.
A.N.O.N. ymous: These people do not see moeable children being FUCKED by tentacles and big dicks. They see them as children. By constantly exposing people to loliporn, it is possible that they develop tendencies too. A good government will not want its citizens to THINK paedophile,much less act paedophile so it’s only natural for them to pass such laws.
Some of you guys here just seem to be harping on the fact that censorship is satan incarnate. And your example of the bus driver rape is totally out of point.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 am
Not that I really disagree with you much TJ han. But Darkmirage’s point is that NO thoughts shouldn’t be criminalized. He wouldn’t be for criminalizing the teacher’s “school” of thought any more than Johnny delinquent’s school of thought.
But you are right, the bus driver example isn’t valid. Censorship of lolicon doesn’t contend that it will erase all pedos. Just as we “control” hate speech not because it automatically erases hate crime, but the advocacy itself can be seen as dangerous. Even then, few countries have laws against private education of hate when it doesn’t involve anti-semitism.
On one hand, there is a lot of material equally suitable for censorship. Glorification of rape for example. What public good can it serve? The same can be said of violence… a good society should not want its people to celebrate acting in such baseless manner. But the law SHOULD be specific to context. After all a literay work such as Lolita should not qualify for such censorship since it demonstrates the destructive effects of pedophilia. Perhaps it is only the glorification of these acts that should be controlled. Advocacy indeed…
If only people could seperate fantasy from reality.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:12 am
I could leave an educated response like others if I wasn’t so lazy but… I’ll just say I agree with you on some points and not on others. But I will never forget this:
“Millions of people eat ice-cream. Some of them are serial killers.”
Because that was beautiful.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:10 pm
Ah, one classic example of the power of suggestion or stimuli… it’s even recorded in the Bible where Adam and Eve made the cardinal sin after they were tempted by the serpent.
Back to the topic, how many things in this world that we do everyday are not linked to some sort of stimuli? They could be everything from the tangible to the intangible. If we are to see crimes or in this case, child crimes or even more specifically drawn pornography involving children, as a cause and effect situation… what’s the actual cause that leads to it? Lest I digress into criminal profiling which I am not that knowledgable about to start with, is external stimuli or suggestive scenarios the important or the sole reason?
I am refraining from listing actual scenarios, situations that leads to horrible crimes from committed because they will never be objective to everyone. If we are to remove every possible stimuli or isolate them away from others like some countries are doing.. such as the Middle East countries that requires women to dress up so as not to tempt or suggest men from committing crimes of a sexual nature, what would this world be? Nothing. Anything can suggest, money, people on the street , literature and so many more. Borne out of the need to handle this pressing need is censorship, of course people are more aware of the political facet of it where it stirs up and suggest to the common people about ideas that the ruling government might not want them to have.
And yet, is suggestion and stimuli the only factors that leads to crimes being committed or rape and harming of young children in this situation? I can barely agree with that, there are so much more to this such as backgrounds of the felon(s) and their mental health…
In a nutshell, censorship in my opinion is futile in this case because it is merely the extraction of one silver of string from a huge ball of yarn. It serves close to nothing… if it ever did.
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May 23rd, 2006 at 7:49 pm
Tess: *bow* ranting is an art.
As for the rest of my reply… please refer to my new post above.
May 24th, 2006 at 3:42 am
i’m not a furry, but if you like furry pr0n does it mean you’ll go out there a fcuk a dog? i just don’t see that happening. loli pr0n is quite different from real underage girls. you might be attracted to these idealized pictures of little girls, but realize that real girls don’t really fit the abstract images that artists draw. these pictures aren’t realistic at all – it’s pure fantasy. huge eyes, perfect bodies, huge tits for a 13 year old,m etc. It’s like cosplay. remember how hot tifa is in FF7, but how NOT hot that fat chick playing tifa at that anime con. anime doesn’t translate well into reality.if you read loli manga and are convinced to fuck a little girl then you’re the problem – NOT the manga. if you see a little girl in a swimming suit in real life and are convinced to fuck a little girl then you’re the problem – NOT the girl in the swimming suit. we should ban everything like swimming suits, provactive clothing, pr0n ( you know cause pr0n causes rape), freedom of speech/expression – heck that’s the ONLY way to save the children. LOLZ.
May 26th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
># Image that show sexual expression of characters that appears to be under 18.
>(Ex: The character does not have under hair, or character appears to be an under 18 school age child.)
>
I tried to think, think and think, but couldn’t figure out that thing – how they are going to decide which age the person on drawing is. For example, what great visible differencies there are when you draw person at age 15..17 or person at age 19… How they define “appears to be under 18″… “does not have under hair” don’t quite fit or are they going to put out requirement that all artist must draw pubic hair. And if you think about real world then there are womens out there, who are over 20 but they seem like they are under 18. Can I get it to be my model for manga and claim afterward that I drawed her and she is over 20…? I hope that this censorship attempt doesn’t go through
June 8th, 2006 at 5:20 pm
2.tj han had an interesting analogy
however it seemed to play up to the impact of reading lolicon magazines on the human psychology. Like what i said earlier, the effect on a single event on a human’s psychology is inseparable from his entire psychy, but the impact of it can be minimalized.
premises:
1.Lolicon content causes pedophilic behaviour(this is an asumption not mentioned by tj han)
2.pedophilic behaviour causes violation of human rights.
Therefore Lolicon content causes violation of human rights
3.Violations of human rights should be put aside inspite of human enjoyment gained
therefore lolicon content should be put aside inspite of human enjoyment gained
this argument is invalidated/undermined by the exact same reason as why darkmirage’s argument is valid. i.e. we MUST assume that unrelated events have no impact on human psychy. Therefore premise 1(the assumption made) is invalid and incorrect, and the argument melts.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:51 pm
tj han then put forths another anology called Mr Saitou
This argument is definitely a fallacy. This very (non)logic is called a “slippery slope” in formal logic. The argument is conpletely illogical and merely speculative. anyone with a brain larger than a bird’s should realize that this kind of speculation is unreliable.
Lets look at the so called logicalprocess.
1.Saitou consumes anime/manga.
2.Japan’s laws does not block him from consuming lolicon material
3.(Assumption: He can’t get/stumble upon the lolicon material outside of the law)
4.He likes what he sees, hence begins to look for more lolicon material
5.He come to the point where lolicon becomes sexually attractive to him
6(Assumption he prefers real life action to drawn lolicon content)
7.He starts watching “life action” child porn
7.When he looks at young girls he relates it the lolicon content.
8.He feels sexually attracted to them and starts fondling them
July 10th, 2006 at 5:45 am
You overlooked the strong positive value of restricting things related to child porn (such as imagery, anime, manga, etc). If you look at it from someone else’s shoes, such as law enforcement, the benefits of restricting access to items related to child porn makes feeding child porn urges much more difficult. So many people have instant objections to law enforcement that I had to try to defend having laws a little bit.
Fewer sources means it is easier to spot those people who purchase such material. Also, fewer vendors need to be observed. Many things are already inspected in the us postal service, for example (items from certain addresses are diverted for imaging (this is not xray)). Suspicious people can thus be entered into the computer and all their international credit card transactions can be tracked for true child porn violations.
As for US laws on anime, back in 2001, the Bush cabinet was working on making animation hentai regulated the same as live-action hentai back in 2001. However, someone distracted them in September from their passing of this through Congress. So, all of you anime fans blogging away here owe an IRONIC debt of thanks to Bin Laden.
It’s only a matter of time before the Bush cabinet finishes what it started. As of the past month, some small re-introductions of some of the provisions back in 2001 are being resubmitted. I guess they are taking a nibbling approach this time. It’s not like how the DMCA was passed all at once after multiple rewordings each time the Supreme Court rejected it. DMCA finally passed, as you know, after a lot of tries. They’ll do the same with the next “anime porn regulated the same as live-action porn” law. All the conservatives need to do is somehow neutralize the bleeding heart Kennedy on the Supreme Court who writes dissents to regulating anime as live-action.
July 10th, 2006 at 1:15 pm
That’s the whole point of my argument isn’t it?
You can’t prove that animated loli porn give people the urge to watch real child porn or molest real children. That would be the same as saying porn causes people to rape women. And if that was true, there should be a complete ban on all porn… but America isn’t going to do that is it?
Real child porn should be banned because it harms the children involved directly. Loli porn and live-action porn fall in the same category because they cause no direct harm.
To ban something deviant when it causes no harm is basically to exercise the tyranny of the majority.
If you want to ban things just to stop people from “feeding their urges”, then why stop here? Why not ban violence in movies, sex on TV, rap “music”, gun sales and alcohol? They can all stimulate people’s urges to commit various acts that bring harm to others. Heck, why don’t we just go to 1984 right now?
July 10th, 2006 at 8:08 pm
Let me start by stating some facts.
1. Paedophilia is a psychological disorder that falls under the same classification as homosexuality. It is incurable.
If a person is a paedophile, it’s not because they chose to be that way, nor is it something they can change. It may or may not be triggered by consumed media. The key word here is “triggered.” It was there to start with, and may come to surface in a person’s mind reguardless of their consumption of relevant media.
2. A person is responsible for the decisions they make.
If a person molests a child, they are responsible for their choice of actions. Claiming that the viewing of lolicon art influenced their decision is certianly not impossible, however, does that mean the blame should be shifted from the person who made the choice to the lolicon art? Self control is something that needs to be taught to every individual as they grow.
A lack of self control does not mean the media that that influenced their behaviour is responsible for that person’s actions.
Speaking from experience on this last point:
Sexual urges can be triggered by nearly anything. Be it a girl in a bathing suit, a clothing catelog or lolicon art. When faced with sexual urges, a person has to make a choice. That person can relieve the sexual urges or supress them. If they choose to relieve that sexual urge, it can be done through many ways. Most of those ways are legal. Masturbation or sexual activity with a consenting adult are legal. Sexual activity with a child, or rape of a person of any age are illegal. Not once when looking at lolicon, or any other form of pornography have I ever felt the only way to relieve my sexual urges was to commit a crime. Through the use of legal pornography, lolicon or otherwise, I can simply fantasize and masturbate.
Supressing urges only causes them to resurge stronger the next time stimuli is faced.
Human beings are perfectly capable of seperating fantasy from reality. In the cases where a person cannot seperate reality from fantasy, how can it be said their fantasy wasn’t triggered by some otherwise “harmless” and legal stimuli, such as going to the beach?
I ramble, but to sum it up. I find there is no supporting evidence that lolicon art is to blame for child molestation. If there is a cause, it is much deeper rooted, such as the inability to seperate reality from fantasy, or the inability to control oneself. If the true problems are these, no amount of censoring will fix the problem, as there is always some kind of stimuli that one can use.
September 4th, 2006 at 7:11 am
Just great! Ban lolicon! Ban violence in TV and games! Ban porn! Ban pornographic and violent music! Ban adult literature! Ban violent literature! Ban TV, games and books! Then ban pictures and music! Why not ban art altogether? Finally ban emotions! Anybody knows the movie Equilibrium? It’s great! And the society there is just ideal! I would LOVE to have that sort of life! Really! (
September 4th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
Oh, we also forgot to mention, that ALL men are potentially dangerou, because we have penises. Do you know how many women were raped with men who had penises? I bet the total number would come very close to 100%. I bet men who have no penis have no urge to rape someone…so, the bottom line is, cut of the dick and you will save the children :o)
BTW. Was it Bush legislative, taht tends to support such activities as telling kids that condom is not safe? Sure, sexual absitenency is a much better unwanted pregnancy and STD spread prevention, but it operates on the assumption that everyone will keep it. Unfortunately, it is not in a human nature to do that. So, instead of helping stop the spread of STDs, less people in US now use condoms, paradoxically spreading the STDs more than ever (same goes with unwanted pregnancy).
Now, why do I say that? Way to hell is paved with good intentions. No ban has ever solved any problem and censorship the least of all.
November 15th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
I’ve little political understanding because im still a minor, i’ve learned some stuff that might help, ok…
Right now, you are talking about America, Japan is Japan, no matter how much other cultures blend with it, first thing about Japan is that they are very cultural, contracting to sexual acts, (prostitutes..porn stars).. there is to basically commiting social and moral suicide. That person most likely will never get in a meaningful relationship…harsh? yes… (but the Japanese are harsh, they used to murder little Korean kids because they get too lazy to help them out of a dug up grave. I’m not saying all Japanese are bad though… ) Social standards of teens in Japan and America are also different.
Japan= Does not engage in sexual actions until after marriage, (therefore making more porn, because they have to wait till after marriage), they do not get a boyfriend or girlfriend unless they are seriously in love. (thats why couples can fight foever and never break up)
America= Engages in sexual action as minors, sex becomes a (too) normal thing, girlfriend, boyfriend relationship for OWN reputation
Contrasting, the Japanese are in a sense much less perverted than Americans.
Now… ill try to explain this law…
Americans are majorly influenced on movies and t.v. shows, that usually inculde violence and sex. Children want to grow up, it’s their nature, so they act what they see. And what they see is commercials with half-naked women posing for a shampoo ad, sitcoms that goes, ‘meet, date, sex, breakup’
Worse, they are watching people around their own age doing this.
BASICALLY, the media screws up the American mind.
Now.. Japan doesn’t want that, they want children to grow up like this, so they set examples using whatever things they have, anime, games, manga. I kinda think they are using romance to substitute sex… so… they want to keep up their social standards, and make it so kids dont think its ok to have sex before marriage, (for a non-christian country, they think rather christian like)
IN SUMMARY, anime, manga, and games are what the kids of Japan are watching, reading or playing. This law is an attempt to declare sex an action for married couples and they want to prevent kids from misunderstanding it.
March 17th, 2007 at 12:25 am
:) I’m totally against banning things up, It’s just like a result of a parent(s) who is in desperate position and can’t think of other ways to solve their own problems. Causing havoc is their selfish way of doing things to get what they wanted which is most likely (revenge). “this has a deep meaning”
Those people who think highly of themselves and can’t tolerate other behaviors and misconcepting those behaviors as “wierd/not normal” are selfish. They might as well think of themselves as wierd.
April 18th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
While i’m not really someone who can say that they support lolicon, i can understand, from what ive read, the psychology behind it. People who are interested in Lolicon outside of pedophillic intent (ie people who read but otherwise have no attraction to children) are essentially very insecure people. From my experiences with communities that are sometimes lolicon centric (anyone “wHo LIeks mudkips!!1!” will know instantly what im talking about) the user bases are typically basement dwellers or people sans life. I think the most dissapointing aspect of this kind of news is not so much an issue of censorship, but more a sense of annoyance that the problem will never be solved. I think its safe to say( judging from previous posts) pedos will be pedos, doesnt matter what they access.
Lolicon is more an extension of power through loyalty/dominance. The wish for a docile, childlike partner that will be always with them ( as the fantasy goes). Anyone who is thoroughly intimidated by women as i assume most lolicons are, might relate to that notion. Instead of trying to ban shit uselessly they need to start addressing the sickness not the symptoms.
July 14th, 2008 at 10:28 am
To let you know, there is a clear difference between child pornography and lolicon. There is also a clear difference between pedophiles who like lolicon, and those who are not pedophiles and like lolicon.
Simply put, lolicon should not have a relation to real life child pornography or actually liking young children.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 am
What?! You hate lolicon? But you like Yuki…I always thought Yuki was loli. But then again, my definition of lolicon is broadly-encompassing.
November 6th, 2009 at 2:53 am
this discussion just got overly intense… ZOMG