Comments on: The Physics of Puella Magi /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/ Anime, Games, J-Pop and Whatever Else Sun, 05 Jun 2011 14:44:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: lol /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/comment-page-2/#comment-500906 lol Tue, 24 May 2011 23:13:49 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/?p=1508#comment-500906 Reminder: this series is fiction, any similarity with reality is just coincidence. Reminder: this series is fiction, any similarity with reality is just coincidence.

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By: Puella Magi Madoka Magica « Canned Memory /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/comment-page-1/#comment-485846 Puella Magi Madoka Magica « Canned Memory Mon, 02 May 2011 01:09:33 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/?p=1508#comment-485846 [...] just different to other beings (for a spectacularly good explanation of some of this, I recommend Dark Mirage’s post). And all this on top of the standard magical girl emotional drama of love, friendship, family, [...] [...] just different to other beings (for a spectacularly good explanation of some of this, I recommend Dark Mirage’s post). And all this on top of the standard magical girl emotional drama of love, friendship, family, [...]

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By: Xfraze /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/comment-page-1/#comment-480025 Xfraze Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:57:37 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/?p=1508#comment-480025 Couldn't the whole time travel thing be negated if you think of it as Kyuubey making an alternate reality within our universe for Homura to redo her meeting with Madoka? I don't know much about science, but if you think about it that way, wouldn't it work? Couldn’t the whole time travel thing be negated if you think of it as Kyuubey making an alternate reality within our universe for Homura to redo her meeting with Madoka? I don’t know much about science, but if you think about it that way, wouldn’t it work?

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By: [Anime][Critique]Puella Magi Madoka Magica | Twilight Eye /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/comment-page-1/#comment-475162 [Anime][Critique]Puella Magi Madoka Magica | Twilight Eye Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:26:32 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/?p=1508#comment-475162 [...] et implacable. On trouvera toujours des gens pour contester certains points du scénario comme la justification Faustienne de Kyubey, mais qui heureusement restent dans le domaine du détail. Le monsieur est connu pour être le [...] [...] et implacable. On trouvera toujours des gens pour contester certains points du scénario comme la justification Faustienne de Kyubey, mais qui heureusement restent dans le domaine du détail. Le monsieur est connu pour être le [...]

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By: Pearz /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/comment-page-1/#comment-470067 Pearz Fri, 08 Apr 2011 04:47:43 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/?p=1508#comment-470067 http://www.clan-rain.co.cc/2011/04/indefinite-madoka-less-thursdays-look.html My long-ish counter argument to your post. ~Pearz http://www.clan-rain.co.cc/2011/04/indefinite-madoka-less-thursdays-look.html

My long-ish counter argument to your post.

~Pearz

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By: Ryu /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/comment-page-1/#comment-468225 Ryu Tue, 05 Apr 2011 05:21:51 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/?p=1508#comment-468225 A thorough analysis of the plot, though it churned out some lolwhat conclusions. Meh, being trained in physics myself, I've given up trying do analyse the physical relation on animes involving physics. Think the closest an anime could get to accurate physics is Haruhi S2 (and that's only because they're using some ACTUAL physics equations in their OP animation instead of some random complex-looking mathematical equations). PS: I swear I could almost hear Urobochi and Shinbo are gloating their asses of with "Keikaku doori" A thorough analysis of the plot, though it churned out some lolwhat conclusions.

Meh, being trained in physics myself, I’ve given up trying do analyse the physical relation on animes involving physics. Think the closest an anime could get to accurate physics is Haruhi S2 (and that’s only because they’re using some ACTUAL physics equations in their OP animation instead of some random complex-looking mathematical equations).

PS: I swear I could almost hear Urobochi and Shinbo are gloating their asses of with “Keikaku doori”

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By: Linnea /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/comment-page-1/#comment-464267 Linnea Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:16:53 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/?p=1508#comment-464267 Very well thought-out and entertaining article. I suppose we can only conclude that QB is a dick. Very well thought-out and entertaining article. I suppose we can only conclude that QB is a dick.

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By: RandomStranger /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/comment-page-1/#comment-457673 RandomStranger Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:30:15 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/?p=1508#comment-457673 This series of discussions have certainly given us a good idea of the kind of crowd lurking here. Physforum, anyone? This series of discussions have certainly given us a good idea of the kind of crowd lurking here.

Physforum, anyone?

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By: OkashiiKisei /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/comment-page-1/#comment-455469 OkashiiKisei Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:40:50 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/?p=1508#comment-455469 Like a couple of people said before, DM, the magic produced by the emo lolis does not follow the laws of physics at all. Kyubey said so himself. They have advanced technology, but even they cannot grasp what Puella magic truly is. They have no idea how it works, where it comes from and have no hand in producing it. Kyubey said so himself in episode 9. All the abilities, powers, wish granting, all of it is done by the loli's own spiritual power, literally the power of the soul or power of emotions. Kyubey's race only has the technology to pull out souls and fabricate them into a Soul Gems. The lolis subconsciously do the rest. Homura's time traveling, Sayaka's healing, Mami's revival, all of it was done by their awakened power based on their wish. Souls in and of themselves are believed to not be 'real' when put in scientific terms. They wouldn't follow the laws of physics. That means if you manage to physically manifest one it can fuck around with reality all it wants. They wouldn't channel energy from another existence but produce their own energy. Considering the defeat of Walpurgisnacht in episode 10 released enough energy to fulfill Kyubey's 'quota' one can conclude that Soul Gems produce unfathomable amounts of energy out of emotions. Emotions aren't a physical thing and are created by humans millions of times a day, so turning that into physical energy grants far more energy than you need to input. Eventually a Soul Gem-turned-Grief Seed would be full of emotional energy, allowing it to be swallowed by Kyubey (explaining why a single Grief Seed can't be used infinitely to purify a Puella Magi). It's more of a 'science and magic go hand in hand' thing but more 'science vs magic/religion' thing. No matter what science does, it can't fathom, explain or control magic. Same goes for deities. Souls come from religion in the first place, something which science can't explain. The very concept of an almighty being doesn't abide to physics, so souls wouldn't abide to physics either. Yes, this is all 'a wizard did it' explanation, but that's because the show itself explicitly states 'a wizard did it'. There's no way around it. Kyubey can explain entropy, but he can't explain magic since it goes against science entirely (that's why it's called MAGIC). Also, regarding the 'wish entropy away' part, remember, these are teenage girls. This entropy deal would go way beyond their heads. At that age kids tend to put their own issues in front of everything else, so most of the time the girls will only make short-sighted or selfish wishes. It will be very hard to find a girl who wants to end entropy, or manipulate one in doing so. Besides, would you believe a small, creepy furball that he's helping prevent the heat death of the universe? Like a couple of people said before, DM, the magic produced by the emo lolis does not follow the laws of physics at all. Kyubey said so himself. They have advanced technology, but even they cannot grasp what Puella magic truly is. They have no idea how it works, where it comes from and have no hand in producing it. Kyubey said so himself in episode 9.

All the abilities, powers, wish granting, all of it is done by the loli’s own spiritual power, literally the power of the soul or power of emotions. Kyubey’s race only has the technology to pull out souls and fabricate them into a Soul Gems. The lolis subconsciously do the rest. Homura’s time traveling, Sayaka’s healing, Mami’s revival, all of it was done by their awakened power based on their wish.

Souls in and of themselves are believed to not be ‘real’ when put in scientific terms. They wouldn’t follow the laws of physics. That means if you manage to physically manifest one it can fuck around with reality all it wants. They wouldn’t channel energy from another existence but produce their own energy. Considering the defeat of Walpurgisnacht in episode 10 released enough energy to fulfill Kyubey’s ‘quota’ one can conclude that Soul Gems produce unfathomable amounts of energy out of emotions.

Emotions aren’t a physical thing and are created by humans millions of times a day, so turning that into physical energy grants far more energy than you need to input. Eventually a Soul Gem-turned-Grief Seed would be full of emotional energy, allowing it to be swallowed by Kyubey (explaining why a single Grief Seed can’t be used infinitely to purify a Puella Magi).

It’s more of a ‘science and magic go hand in hand’ thing but more ‘science vs magic/religion’ thing. No matter what science does, it can’t fathom, explain or control magic. Same goes for deities. Souls come from religion in the first place, something which science can’t explain. The very concept of an almighty being doesn’t abide to physics, so souls wouldn’t abide to physics either.

Yes, this is all ‘a wizard did it’ explanation, but that’s because the show itself explicitly states ‘a wizard did it’. There’s no way around it. Kyubey can explain entropy, but he can’t explain magic since it goes against science entirely (that’s why it’s called MAGIC).

Also, regarding the ‘wish entropy away’ part, remember, these are teenage girls. This entropy deal would go way beyond their heads. At that age kids tend to put their own issues in front of everything else, so most of the time the girls will only make short-sighted or selfish wishes. It will be very hard to find a girl who wants to end entropy, or manipulate one in doing so. Besides, would you believe a small, creepy furball that he’s helping prevent the heat death of the universe?

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By: Artanis /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2011/03/06/the-physics-of-puella-magi/comment-page-1/#comment-454162 Artanis Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:42:54 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/?p=1508#comment-454162 It is a farm and QB *are* using Homura's time travel to generate energy, just not conventional energy, and not really farming lolis plural. More like farming Madoka. In episode 10, Madoka gets more powerful with each successive leap. The previous iteration would have seen Madoka wipe out the planet rapidly, and QB has stated that Madoka could become a god in the current iteration, so eventually, Madoka turning into a witch will net enough power that QB can effectively remake the universe like in The Last Question. Probably the energy gain up to this point was a delaying tactic, with the appearance of the Madoka/Homura combo a welcome surprise. All QB has to do is omit Homura to make sure she doesn't reset it again. It is a farm and QB *are* using Homura’s time travel to generate energy, just not conventional energy, and not really farming lolis plural.

More like farming Madoka.

In episode 10, Madoka gets more powerful with each successive leap. The previous iteration would have seen Madoka wipe out the planet rapidly, and QB has stated that Madoka could become a god in the current iteration, so eventually, Madoka turning into a witch will net enough power that QB can effectively remake the universe like in The Last Question. Probably the energy gain up to this point was a delaying tactic, with the appearance of the Madoka/Homura combo a welcome surprise.

All QB has to do is omit Homura to make sure she doesn’t reset it again.

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